Dating buescher saxophones

Has anybody had experience with these? When were they made? Are they downgraded Buescher models? Bell keys are on the left. Front F is present. Horrible lacquer on both. Perfectly rectangular G key with no roller. No G trill key. Its quite a downgrade from general bueschers. The metal is really thing and they are nothing to write home about.

I had one someone sold me as a regular buescher on ebay: I sold it for under bucks. Can the keys be made to fit an aristacrat that is missing keys? If your thinking of buying one Id spend my money elsewhere. IMHO, after playing one, it aint no Buescher In fact I dont believe the one I had even had resonators There are better student saxes in my opinion.

Earlier horns were either Buescher or Martin stencils. I found the 20A I played to have the characteristic feel of a Buescher relatively light, fast key action and typical clear bottom end. The tone was a bit brighter.

However, I find the late pre-Selmer buyout horns not even as much to my liking despite the presence of snaps and Nortons! The Elkharts sell on eBay for a pittance and, I believe, make excellent student and backup horns. I believe I did see a thread on the old forum where a tech had reported that Buescher produced a bad batch of Elkharts -- incurable intonation problems -- that pretty much ended the line.

However, I have not seen that confirmed elsewhere. Stencilman, since you have all your kids playing Martins, perhaps you can find some other deserving student players who might be pleased with your Elkharts!

The brass on these horns does seem thin. Lots of pieces are missing and I could probably only get two full horns out of the whole lot. It would be a lot lot of work.

Lots of soldering which is a skill I am not proficient at. It might be fun for a kid to do some repair work, even if its just grunt work. I also have a couple of F. Olds Ambassadors not "Parisian" that are almost identical to the Elkharts except for the key guards.

The rest of the body and keys are identical. Its amazing that since I chose the name "Stencilman" on this forum, I have become a stencil magnet. Right now, I think there are 11 altos that are stencils running around here.

An elkhart neck will not fit a buescher I dont know about other models. I had both in my hands at on point and they dont match. It has very nice pearl touches and solid keywork. It has perfect intonation and sounds like butter and Barry White.

To me - thats a good thing. These were indeed second line horns from Buescher but used the same tooling as their regular line. To call these cheap student horns is innaccurate and misleading. There is NO comparison to student horns being manufactured and sold today.

That these were second line horns is almost meaningless. Check out what Bear at Cybersax thinks about second line horns.

I happen to agree with him. I got mine for virtually nothing but would not want to part with it under any circumstances. I do think the metal might be a little thinner, but mine is over 60 years old with no dents and all the finish is intact. If you Look in Saxophone Makes 1 and 2 you can find a lot of comments about Elkharts.

Based, on the posts in the archives, most people who have had Elkharts have had good experiences. It could also just have been a bad horn.

Some of the older Elkharts were apparently made by Martin also. My understanding is that Elkhart saxes were made by Martin until the Buescher buy-out in when they became student saxes.

It looks pretty good; was it in any way different from the Handcraft or simply made with a different name? Did Buescher downgrade the Elkhart straight away or a little later? At what stage did the Elkhart move from split bell keys to left sided? As far as I know these are relabeled Handcrafts. In fact, I believe the serial no.

I would not trust serial numbers alone for identification. I had a 50s? Elkhart 20A alto with a 59,xxx serial number -- obviously unrelated in terms of sequence to one above. Pictures of key areas should tell the maker. The heavy Martin tone holes are exhibit number one. Yes, the link shows the 53XXX Elkhart. The early one has bevelled tone-holes, but the picture is too obscure to say whether these are Martin or Buescher who also made a few this way, of course. The G key is the rounded semi-circle of a Martin.

Point take about the serial numbers. The 69XXX is actually a Buescher made model and so the serial number is from a different series. The 9, sax certainly looks as if it could be a rebadged Martin. More views on this would be welcome. The G is not a Martin Handcraft style.

All the ones I have seen are rectangular with nicely rounded edges including later models. This one is much more like the late True Tone minus the roller. See if the seller will give you better pics. The front F looks original. I actually own one of these with the Big B engraving. In all cases, these horns generally follow the rules for stencils, except that they were actually sold by the companies that produced them -- they just had different names on the bell.

Your sax is great! Second line does not mean student line Your Buescher Elkhart saxophone is a sort-of a stencil: The quality of second-line horns was generally higher than their stencil brethren. It has a different serial number chart than the Buescher.

Made for the growing number of high school marching bands. There was a higher demand for educational instruments and the big 4 responded by making second line horns. The serial number info for the second line does not match the parent company. One thing is certain, a saxophone made in Elkhart ,Indiana is going to play and sound great! Please have a professional Band Instrument technician do the once over on this sax to identify any possible problems,you know There are many moving parts that need to be lubricated ,the neck cork needs to be greased with a high quality cork grease, and the thumb screw threads will need oiling.

Get a quartz tuner, and put an Ink mark where A is on the neck cork. This sax is perfect for the blues jams, old saxophones are very cool I bet the tone is killer!

Grant Koeller bruce bailey , The OP has not posted here for over a decade so I suspect the horn is long gone. They sound similar, and the keywork feels and responds similarly. And either pay a bit more for one in top condition or budget enough to get it put into top condition. The result will still be a bargain. I also have a 16M, which is also a second line but with updated keywork.

Second, and the most important reason:

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#1 05.11.2018 в 13:17 Bshapleigh:
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#2 15.11.2018 в 09:28 Dahskate:
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